Within the next few days, (as soon as
I've established an alternative, secure means for Lead Legion customers
to transfer payments electronically) Lead Legion will no longer be
trading via Pay Pal.
[Customers
who have recently made a transaction involving Lead Legion via Pay Pal
shouldn't be concerned. I'll be keeping the Lead Legion Pay Pal account
open until all funds have cleared AND all outstanding Pay Pal customers
have received, and are happy with, their painted miniatures. ]
Despite
having been a Pay Pal customer for more than seven years -and never
once having been involved in a payment dispute (or having been the
target of any complaints) in all that time, Pay Pal have arbitrarily
determined that any funds transferred to the Lead Legion Pay Pal account
will now be held in reserve for 21 days prior to being made available
for withdrawal. I was given no prior notice that this would be the case,
and actually received an email notifying me that this step was being
taken only AFTER it had been put into effect. I was not informed of the
reason why this reserve had been put into place on my account, instead
being directed to a list of "example" reasons for why Pay Pal might
impose a reserve on any given account. None of which apply to the Lead
Legion account.
I
contacted Pay Pal to request an explanation of the specific reasons why
the Lead legion account in particular had been chosen for this measure.
They have been unable to provide a satisfactory answer. I explained
that, as a self-employed person, Lead Legion is my sole source of
income. I also explained that, as I require payment up front in order to
purchase any necessary supplies and miniatures to fulfil a customers
order, a 21 day hold on payments would force me out of business.
Here's Pay Pal's response to my concerns:
"If I were in your position, personally I
would feel the same way; however, I would perhaps reserve judgement and
objection and give the payment hold policy a chance. If it has worked on
numerous PayPal users, maybe it would work well with me [sic] too."
Seems
reasonable enough at first glance. Though how I'm supposed to eat for
the first 21 days while awaiting payments to clear strikes me as a
teeny-tiny problem in and of itself. I knew about the whole "starving
artist" stereotype, but I didn't think I was supposed to take it
literally!
It
was also helpfully pointed out that funds would be released prior to
the end of that 21 day period as soon as a positive feedback result was
recorded on eBay.Which is all very well for the handful of items Lead
Legion does sell on eBay, but as sales of painted miniatures on eBay
accounts for less than 10% of my business, this is absolutely no use to
me whatsoever.
My
initial gut reaction was to close down the Pay Pal account entirely as
soon as I had fulfilled all my existing Pay Pal orders. However, it's
possible that I will (begrudgingly) keep it open for the purposes of
eBay sales, given that it's impossible to use eBay without one.
I'm currently looking at switching to a Payment Gateway operated by Payment Sense
as an alternative to Paypal. This would allow customers to pay by
credit or debit card and provide the same protections enjoyed by Paypal
users. This would also allow me to create a virtual shop of my own for
purposes of selling non-commission painted miniatures, bypassing eBay
altogether. In the meantime, I'll continue to use Pay Pal until I can
arrange an alternate service. I'll keep you all updated as to further
developments.
21 days...screw that!
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts exactly Fran. I can't help but think that this is simply an excuse to hold on to money from small, start-up business's for as long as possible to accrue interest. The same thing happened to my friend Victoria when she started selling bespoke handcrafts- and she'd been with Pay Pal for nearly ten years with no problems!
DeleteThats BS mate is this for all paypal accounts i take it?
ReplyDeleteNot everyone's no. It seems Pay Pals servers regularly analyse clients' accounts every 35 days. If they see certain patterns (such as, in my case, an increase in buying/selling activity) they impose a 21 day holding period.
DeleteWhy not just buy something from yourself on eBay and give yourself positive feedback? Just use a friends acount or something...
ReplyDeleteHi Greenstuff. Thanks for the suggestion, but I hear there are pretty stiff penalties for that sort of thing if you get caught.
ReplyDeleteSomeone I know has been in dispute with PP for over a year. They froze his account with over £200 in it. They asked him for proof of ID which he provided. The account wasn't un-frozen. They asked for different proof.
ReplyDeleteIt's now reached the stage he refuses to provide any additional info, as he's almost given them enough it engage in identity theft, so he's still not got his money.
All this was through selling on eBay.
Yup, I've hearing quite a number of similar stories over the last few days.
DeleteThey take the piss! they really do... good of you to give people a heads up bout this kinda stuff mate !
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